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  • H1B-GC
    08-15 09:30 AM
    Seeing Sep 2008 bulletin I felt happy:). I presume in October 2008 bulletin the EB2 India/china Priority dates go back. But its a mild retrogression for a short span of time. After that the dates start catching up current again. EB2 India becoming current is inevitable.

    We need a legilation change for any considerable movement in EB3 India. I am presuming in the next two years there will be considerable changes in EB category immigration which directly relief EB3 India.




    mpadapa has given almost exact count on EB limit for 2008.

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265989&postcount=90



    The Earliest Time the Dates for EB2 "might" move up again would be the February Visa Bulletin'09 as USCIS and DOS would Need atleast the 1st Quarter Data(Oct- Dec) to see the Visa Demand for the ROW Category in order for the Horizontal Spillover to India/China.

    Do you Agree Mr.Rao?





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  • cinqsit
    01-14 03:19 PM
    I would argue that Indian consulting biggies saw that they could offer resources to clients at much cheaper rates than offered by American consulting companies. That drove down billing rates for everyone. Also one cannot deny the fact that persons who faked their resumes have contributed to the decline of the quality of talent pool. Don't get me wrong, bad apples existed and thrived in both big and small companies. But the occurences of such misdeed is/was more rampant in body shops. Some examples are the hiring of fresh grads & H4 & other unskilled workers and passing them off as "high skilled resource".

    On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.

    Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.

    I agree completely. I fail to understand why people are so upset with this development. Your life will be better in the long run. Cant you all see ?

    cinqsit





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  • sundevil
    05-29 12:08 PM
    I think as someone said this guy was randomly throwing numbers out there. How come his analysis does not account for remaining 36K EB1 and EB2 ROW applications. Is he suggesting that all EB1 and EB2 ROW are being used up also. Very hard to believe that for 2008 and 2009 with the way the economy is going. Lot of product companies where most of the ROW 485s would likely come from have stopped applying perm since last summer. There is a huge flaw in this analysis and its not as pessimistic as it seems.

    BUT, then again we need legislation to wipe the slate clean and clear these 200K applications, so there is a new build up of visa demand and wait times are tolerable for current applicants and future applicants.


    Yes it will, unless there are more EB1I visas which could spill over to EB2I, in which case EB2I will move ahead of EB3I. But that guy has also said that the spill over may not happen because of the demand for EB1I.

    Its just unbelievable that EB2I and EB3I (i.e. the persons who have PD when the numbers were calculated) will have to wait for about 19 years to get their GCs. We HAVE to do something about this.





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  • Legal
    07-21 10:32 PM
    vdlrao, Thanks for the great analysis.
    I am using DOS visa statistics and I arrived at EB quota numbers for 2008 as 162,707. There were 22,707 unused FB visa's in 2007 based on the DOS visa statistics @ http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/statistics/statistics_1476.html
    Typically the actual EB quota for the FY is revised in the September bulletin. I am not sure if DOS has already taken into account the new EB quota number for the Aug bulletin. If they hadn't taken into account the new quota number then we should see some forward movement in the Sep bulletin.

    However the 28,795 AC-21 recaptured visa's U are talking about has already been used in 2002, please take a look at the below mentioned link for details regarding the usage of those visa's.

    http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY2003%20AppD.pdf

    All the AC-21 recaptured visa's has been used by now.


    It does look like all the AC21 numbers have been used up. Even if you don't take this into account, there are 40,000 + visa numbers available for use before Sep 30th.
    Since we have been conditioned to receive only bad news for the past 3 years, we find it hard to believe. If this happens, EB-2 will get a good kickstart and with spillovers happening each quarter the dates should keep moving which vdlrao has been saying all along.

    I also suspect among the 3 Llofgren bills, even if only the per-country quota elimination bill could be enacted, enough numbers may reach some long suffering EB3 India members.



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  • surya.kant
    05-30 09:22 AM
    Mr. Oppenheim stated that, due to the dramatic increase in employment-based filings, visa cutoff dates for FY2010 will be much more limited to ensure that there will be a steady supply of visa numbers available throughout the year. This will lead to earlier cutoff dates and may help prevent visa categories from becoming unavailable.


    This is the key for VB in coming months. The cut-offs will move slowly and that would mean FIFO for approvals.

    Recapturing unused visa is the only way to reduce the gap between visa supply and demand.





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  • mpadapa
    09-23 10:57 AM
    I support this idea.
    Let us not deliberate about the details about the proposal. Let us leave it to the lawmakers to broaden the scope of the proposal. The key is to make the lawmakers aware that the EB immigrants can and are willing to provide a helping hand to improve the current housing crisis.



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  • newtoearth
    05-02 04:34 PM
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  • ramus
    07-03 10:25 PM
    Mecaca,

    Are you getting input on your template? Just want to make sure everybody is helping you...

    Thanks a lot for your leadership..



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  • vinzen
    08-18 11:21 PM
    This is not "Indian" thread. It is purely a North Indian thread. He is popular only in North of India.

    And which part of india are you from?





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  • srkamath
    07-25 09:46 PM
    It is really simple.....

    Vertical Spillover

    EB2 (IN) ~ 12000 / year
    EB3 (IN) ~ 18000 / year

    Horizontal Spillover

    EB2 (IN) > 18000 / year
    EB3 (IN) < 12000 / year

    On another note.

    There is possibly an ongoing effort by some powerful people to compel "attrition by frustration" among all prospective immigrants. This Xenophobic philosophy will last till Jan2009, it will then subside.

    It is just like high oil prices - make hay while........

    Have faith in America, history shows it rights itself sooner rather than later.



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  • kurtz_wolfgang
    08-17 10:08 AM
    simply racial profiling.

    i dont think SRK is over reacting.. many desis who are accepting that its a way of life suffer from "Slave Mentality".

    When was the last time.. a US diplomat or US socialite was frisked and detained for 2 hrs in indian airports?

    To all the jocks who argue "its part of life"..my advise grow some balls and realize one thing.. no matter how long u live here.. no matter whether u have GC or PC...u will always be treated like third class citizens.

    In the end its the color.. do you know beta.

    for the record.i am no SRK fan.

    Mamooty.. who is he?

    Read this before you pass comments. Even Al Gore (VP) and Ted Kennedy have been detained on US Airports. Who the hell is SRK? and just because he is an actor and looks all goody goody, you have all the sympathy. Would you have it for Mulayam/Lalu, if they had gone through the same ordeal?? No, then you would have laughed and said they ought to be. Would you be protesting the same way if Musharraf was being frisked? you wouldn't.

    So in the end you are one biased person. You cannot take a justful decision, your decision is based on who is it for. :rolleyes:

    Would Khan have fared better as Kennedy? - US - World - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/world/us/Would-Khan-have-fared-better-as-Kennedy/articleshow/4899589.cms)





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  • msp1976
    02-12 08:54 PM
    Without reform in the next few months.....dates for EB3 ROW would also start moving backwards....
    The BECs would chew on the TR cases and throw out 100 K approvals in the next few months....That it .... Sayonara for the EB3 world current dates too.....



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  • helpful_leo
    07-28 07:20 PM
    Hello there

    Thanks for your service.

    I needed to ask a very specific question about extending a B-2 visa towards the end of a six month stay for my mom; specifically if she becomes out-of-status during the duration when an EOS application is pending, if the EOS is subsequently denied; and if this (i.e. subsequent denial) voids a multi-year multiple entry visa? I am finding conflicting information on the internet even from USCIS sources about whether or not 212(g) applies when an EOS application is pending.

    Thanks for your time.





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  • JunRN
    05-29 11:30 AM
    1] To date there are 60K EB2I and another 60K EB3I I-485 applictaions pending.
    2] 3.2K visas were available for EB2I for FY2009.

    Assuming 3.2K visas are available every year from now on, it will take 60/3.2=18.75 years for all EB2I applicants upto today to be granted GC.

    Unbelievable!

    I think you have not yet included those doing Consular Processing in your computation. CP accounts for about 20% of total usage.



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  • ramus
    06-28 05:56 PM
    So this is very clear example where dates were current for June but they just came up on June 5th and asked to reject all other worker application..

    Now why can't they do fsame or EB?

    Do you know if they even accepected application that they got before June 5th.








    That was 5th June as per Oh's website and Oh's website was quoting AILA's memo.





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  • JeffDG
    01-15 07:50 PM
    I think IV should get a new law introduced which changes the surplus visa trickle down policy so that equal number or visas gets distributed between EB3 & EB2. This law will have maximum possibility of getting passed.

    I find that highly unlikely.

    The EB categories are set up in priority order. To cascade from EB1-EB2/EB3 equally would break this priortization. Regardless of our opinion, Congress has decided that certain categories of immigrants should be accorded priority for admission. Those immigrants can file in EB1 or EB2. The cascading of unused visas fits that scheme as it is intended to work.



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  • garybanz
    12-14 05:40 PM
    100$

    Thanks soljabhai.




    All,

    I think we have spent enough time discussing this, please respond to this post if you are willing to share the cost of taking this discussion to a top Constitutional attorney. (just the cost of initial discussion...not the actual case)

    Also if some one can point me in the right direction on finding the right attorney for this question then I'll really appreciate it.

    Thanks."



    Please respond to this thread and let me know if you are interested in sharing the cost of a 1 hr consultation with a top constitutional attorney on this topic.

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  • BMS1
    06-26 02:22 PM
    There is possibility that retrogression begins in August. The USCIS maail department will acept only those cases the clerk could manually enter into the system by July 31st and then send all those applications back which he could not enter manually

    IV Roumor thread - lets give the 'Best roumour of the day' award to the most convincing roumor .....


    :D :D :D :D
    Probably that is not true. There is something called receipted date (Not RD or Receipt Date). When the applications are received, the mail office affixes a date stamp on applications which is the receipted date. The receipted date should fall on a day where Visa dates must be current. I sent my I485 to reach VSC on Sept 30, 2005 (Retrogression started on Oct 1st, 2005). My RD was somewhere second week of Oct. My son's application was returned for missing check (apparently they lost it) where I noticed the date stamp of Sept 30, 2005 and wrote back to them that it was their mistake. And finally they accepted my son's I485 with an RD of Nov 2005.





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  • roseball
    07-10 11:29 AM
    Wish you the very best byeusa......

    I might be moving to Canada next summer if there is no progress in my case here...My PD is Nov 2003 EB-3...I got my Canadian PR in May 2005 and I have until May 2008 to move.....So keeping my fingers crossed..I too work for a Canadian company in US.....Wish you good luck...





    vdlrao
    07-24 08:53 PM
    I am expecting a quick forward movement in the EB2 India/China category in the next year bulletins.
    We have found out that we have about 10 times increase in EB2 India visa numbers from our calculations. I doubt it whether any attorney had any idea better than us, about the numbers we are getting for EB2 India/China from horizontal spill overs. In Ron's post he is no where mntioned any numbers other than saying that CIS is not able to process these many applications. I would be more than happy if some body in our forum posts, the "visa numbers calculations" we have done in this thread, into to his website.

    Theres no doubt in the EB2 India/China will catch up current very soon. This is inevitable. There might be a mild retrogression for a very short span of time in the next few bulletins. But after that the dates will run like catching up the Current.





    vbkris77
    05-29 11:14 AM
    So when there is less demand, they screwed us by not processing on-time and when there is more demand, they are processing ROW fast to give them more visas, so there won't be any spill-over. What a convenient system????

    Unless we understand that CIS/State is the reason for Visa wastage and not any specific country/group/EB1,EB2 etc.. We will not be able to fight united and till then we will not get this mess cleared.

    Mr. Oppenheim explained that a trickling effect of unused visa numbers between EB categories has helped keep EB1 and EB2 categories current in prior years. However, due to the processing of a high number of applications, this trickling effect has already occurred, but is not expected to occur again in FY2009. Mr. Oppenheim attributed this to the hard work of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), as well as that of the DOS, as they have succeeded in processing enough cases to likely use all available visa numbers from all categories for FY2009. He stated that the DOS and the USCIS are supposed to process enough cases to use the annual allotment of visa numbers and not leave any available visas unused and wasted in any fiscal year.



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